Talk:Zwan

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Success[edit]

One album makes a band "one of the most successful of the 2000s"? Also, let's not include the Smashing Pumpkins discography here. -- Zoe

Smashing Pumpkins stuff[edit]

I was only going to remove the Smashing Pumpkins stuff, but then 01 realized 01 didn't know what a special single was, nor did 01 have any reason to suspect its veracity.

The Story[edit]

The story begins in the 80s with Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin. They were both founded in a band called The Smashing Pumpkins in early 1989 by recording their demos for Gish and released it in May 1991 and a couple months later, they released an EP called Lull in November and included the 1989 demo called "Bye June"

In 1993, the band released Siamese Dream and the year after, they relased an album with the B-side singles collectors, Pisces Iscariot in 1994 and covered "Landslide" of Fleetwood Mac's hit of 1976.

In March to August 1995, The Smashing Pumpkins released Mellon Collie Infinite and the Sadness and issued on October 24 of a double disc set and the first single from the album was "Bullet With Butterfly Wings". They released a collection of singles fromMellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness in November 1996 and called it The Aeroplane Flies High.

The last two studio albums were Adore (1998) and MACHINA/The Machines of God (2000) and disbanding in December.

Zwan was formed in 2001. Their first special single was "Honestly" in December 2002 and then released Mary Star of the Sea on January 28, 2003.

see also: Billy Corgan and Jimmy Chamberlin

Mistake?[edit]

Looks like there is a mistake "In the May 27, 2005 edition of Entertainment Weekly, Billy Corgan gave his version of the reasons behind Zwan's breakup."

Maybe it's not 2005, but 2003?

Avel791

Definitely 2005. The EW article was regarding Corgan's solo album, but it was also one of the first times he gave reasons for Zwan's demise to a large media outlet (as opposed to his own blogs, etc.). Pumpkingrrl


"The album was largely viewed as a disappointment for various reasons" -- Judging from the reviews linked to on the album's page this statement is rather biased.

I agree, all the reviews I've seen have been positive. Cookiecaper 04:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)
I've always heard that it was a disappointment too; from what little I've actually heard of Zwan, maybe because it was mainly fans of the Smashing Pumpkins expecting something equally melancholy? Regardless, it seems to have been not that big of a success *commercially* (to quote the album page: "Although it reached # 3 in the US, it didn't have staying power in the charts."), whatever the reasons for that were (bad marketing? lack of drive from the band? 01 couldn't say). Now whether that justifies the statement or not? At best the statement is still a bit misleading in some ways, although accurate in others. Probably should be reworded a bit anyways. Phil Urich 01:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

I would not call Zwan "Zwan were a short-lived "indie supergroup" that formed in 2001 and disbanded in 2003." --buzlink 20:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Billy Burke[edit]

On the inside of the CD booklet, it lists "BILLY BURKE" as GUITAR/VOCALS instead of BILLY CORGAN.

Thought that was interesting.... --Orbzon 01:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


It's interesting that it appears in the CD credits, but he probably created the Billy Burke character to signify the difference between Zwan and the Pumpkins. Note the backstory to Machina & Machina II, where he contrasts his early career as "Zero" with his later career as "Glass." Billy is an odd bird.

~~D, 19 Dec 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.172.12 (talk) 20:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

It's a shame because "Mary Star of the Sea" is a really great CD[edit]

People just want to hear SP and there is alot of that here, but also something different. Beats Gish or MCIS hands down. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.230.42.21 (talk) 22:37, 25 April 2007 (UTC).

U crazy! Have you ever heard Gish before? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 14.203.35.155 (talk) 14:12, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Supergroup?[edit]

I think that the term supergroup is sorely misapplied. 01 never even heard of this band until today, and 01 was into the Pumpkins and the alternative scene. 70.22.154.184 (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


I think you misunderstand the meaning of "supergroup." It doesn't refer to a group's popularity, but rather its status as a smattering of members of other popular groups. 01 think it is "sorely misapplied" in Wikipedia articles about Psychopathic Records "artists," i.e. members of Insane Clown Posse and their ilk... ~~D, 19 Dec 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.106.172.12 (talk) 20:23, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

Associated Acts? Not clear what association exists, regarding A Perfect Circle[edit]

It's not clear how _A Perfect Circle_ is related at all, or as an "associated act". Please clarify or remove ... (That James Iha is in APC really has nothing to do with Zwan.) -- Newagelink (talk) 19:17, 5 September 2012 (UTC)